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A development note in Phil's Wedge World tensor wedge doc. It shows that the conjecture T_I = (1/k!)A_I with A_I = k!Alt(f_I) fails, using a simple n=2 counterexample. The fix is to extend the ordered coefficients by zero on non-ordered index sets, a Boolean theta-function choice. This solution was entered into Section 10.1 of the wedge doc. The Boolean definitions themselves did not survive text extraction.
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New Theorem for Appendix A
Well, it turns out there is no new theorem, but what there is is a clearer understanding of something I got wrong! The "solution" is shown at the very bottom and is now entered into wedge Section 10.1. The issue is this: given A in an ordered sum for a k-form, how would you produce a viable T for the symmetric version of the k-form. My answer is a simple Boolean deal, earlier answers were just plain wrong.
Existing Theorem near 8.4.7:
1. If T^ = ΣITI λ^I where you are given some TI coefficients, then you can also write
T^ = Σ'I [k!AltI(TI)] λ^I
where you have converted from a symmetric sum to an ordered sum. If you then define
AI ≡ k!AltI(TI)
Then you can write the second sum as
T^ = Σ'I AI λ^I .
In this scenario, by definition the tensor AI is totally antisymmetric and TI has no symmetry. [ ok ]
2. I don't seem to deal with the reverse scenario which is this.
Suppose you are given
T^ = Σ'I fI λ^I (1)
where fI is perhaps not totally antisymmetric. How can you write this as
T^ = ΣI TI λ^I ? (2)
In other words, how do you express TI in terms of fI ?? We do know this fact is true
T^ = Σ'I AI λ^I AI ≡ k!AltI(TI) (3) [ incorrect conjecture]
But we cannot compare (1) with (3) and conclude that fI = AI because AI is known TA whereas fI may not be TA.
So this is a cleanly stated problem, what is the solution?
Remember that there is nothing wrong with fI here having arbitrary symmetry!!! This always arises for example when you do the external derivative.
I would like to show that this is valid
T^ = Σ'I fI λ^I T^ = Σ'I [k!AltI(fI)] λ^I (4) [ wrong ]
Then I could say
AI ≡ k!AltI(fI)
Now I would have a TA coefficient AI . I would then conjecture that
TI = (1/k!) AI
was a viable solution for TI for this reverse problem, because then
k!AltI(TI) = k!(1/k!)AltI(AI) = AI
which agrees with the relationship going the other direction. [ all wrong! ]
3. Can I prove conjecture (4)?? Let's first try a simple case and see if the conjecture is even true!
T^ = Σi<i fii λi ^ λi
T^ = Σi<i[2!AltI(fI)]λi ^ λi = Σi<i2 [fii - fii]λi ^ λi
Can I show these two expressions are the same? Work on the second line:
Σi<i [fii - fii]λi ^ λi = Σi<i fiiλi ^ λi - Σi<i fiiλi ^ λi
= Σi<i fiiλi ^ λi + Σi<i fiiλi ^ λi
= Σi<i fiiλi ^ λi + Σi<i fiiλi ^ λi
= Σii fiiλi ^ λi = ΣI fI λ^I
But then my conjecture implies that
T^ = Σi<i fii λi ^ λi = Σii fiiλi ^ λi
which certainly does not seem right. Suppose n = 2, then the left side is
LHS = f12 λ1 ^ λ2
RHS = f12 λ1 ^ λ2 + f21 λ2 ^ λ1 = [f12- f21] λ1 ^ λ2
and these are NOT the same, so my conjecture is wrong.
Start Over
Statement of the Problem:
You are given
T^ = Σ'I fI λ^I where fI is NOT TA
Find TI such that
T^ = ΣI TI λ^I
Comment: In Σ'I fI λ^I the coefficient fI is only "sensed" for order I. We should be able to replace fI by any gI as long as fI = gI for ordered I. For example, fij is only sensed for i<j. Suppose I try
gij = fij + 27 fji
Then
g12 = f12 + 27 f21
and this does not work unless we declare that fij vanishes for non-ordered indices.
Let's try that approach; We are given
T^ = Σ'I fI λ^I
and we know that all fI appearing in this equation have I = ordered. Suppose we extend fI in this way
FI =
Then we have
T^ = Σ'I fI λ^I = ΣI FI λ^I = ΣI TI λ^I [ this is the correct solution ]
so here then is a viable solution to my problem
Solution #1
Problem: Given Σ'I fI λ^I for some arbitrary ordered fI, how can you write this as ΣI TI λ^I ?
Solution: Select
TI =
It is a sort of Boolean θ function type solution. It might not be the only solution. In some other solution, you would have to arrange for the non-ordered summation components to vanish.
I have now entered this solution into Section 10.1 of wedge doc.