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A self-questioning note by Phil, dated 2.15.17 and marked reviewed 3.18.17, comparing the basis vectors en and e'n of the frames doc with the four basis types of the tensor doc. It examines rotations x' = Rx, x-space versus x'-space, and Frame S versus S', and tests an Active View reading of V' = RV using explicit Rz(α) expansions. It ends by noting that Appendix J appears to resolve the confusion.

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Question regarding Frames doc and Tensor doc 2.15.17 This doc has been reviewed on 3.18.17 and I am happy with it. Question: How do en and e'n in frames doc relate to basis vectors in tensor doc? [ a good question ] In tensor doc there are 4 basis vector types. un axis aligned in x-space en tangent base vectors in x-space e'n axis aligned in x'-space u'n I guess inverse tangent base vectors in x'-space Linear differentials are S and R. tensor doc frames doc e'n = R(x) en en = Re'n e'n = Sen [ all data above I think is correct, no conclusions yet ] I have to start somewhere. Suppose I make this connection tensor doc: un = axis-aligned in x-space, expansion V = Vi ui , gij [ ok ] frames doc: en = axis-aligned in Frame S, expansion V = Vi ei , δij [ok ] Let us now probe into what this comparison implies. If we restrict to rotations, then x is a vector, and we have the transformation x' = Rx in tensor doc, similar to v' = Rv in frames doc. In tensor doc, I say that x is in x-space while x' is in x'-space. What exactly does that mean? [ good question ]I use it in the sense that x' = curvilinear coordinates, x = Cartesian. The axes in x'-space might be θ and r for polar coordinates. You would think that for a simple rotation as transformation, x' = Rx, the axes of x'-space would be something like x' and y' [ok]. So you would think that x-space was Frame S with axes x and y [ok], while x'-space was Frame S' with axes x' and y' [wrong!]. So in this view, x-space is Frame S with y going up, and x'-space is Frame S' with y' going up. [wrong!] Here is what at least seems to be a reasonable picture x' = x' '+ y' ' x = x+ y [ wrong ] This above picture is then only about coordinates x and x'. There is no V and V'. I guess I would say x'μ = Rμνxν so show components of the mapping. Question: In tensor doc, does V' = RV have anything to do with the above pictures? How about this picture as a candidate: As in the previous picture, here each drawing shows the appropriate components of the vector . In Frame S the components of the velocity vector V are vx and vy. [ok] In Frame S' the components of the velocity vector V' are v'x and v'y. [ok] This seems to be an Active View situation since we have two vectors V' and V. We write V'μ = RμνVν Actually, I think the next picture is better V' = v'x'+ vy'' V = vx+ vy This is compatible with my tensor doc expansions V' = V'1 e'1 + V'2 e'2 + V = V1 u1 + V2 u2 +... But this is not really Active View because in Active View, V and V' are drawn in the same space/Frame which has the same basis vectors. You have V = Viei = V' [ the above picture is reasonable if you say that V is a vector in x-space and V' is a different vector in x'-space with components there of V'i , but we really need Frame S and Frame S' in the same space. ] **************************saved from bottom of Question 2 doc ******************* Now of the following I am not so sure: Conjecture: Maybe the e'n could serve as the Cartesian basis vectors of x'-space and maybe we can associate x'-space with Frame S'. I think I would like things to work out that way, but right now I have no idea. [ again, for Active View need both Frames in the same space, with Frame S' axes back rotated .] What are the en ? According to 3.2.4, en ≡ Se'n . (3.2.4) Therefore en = (R-1)e'n e'n = Ren Now I will use Rz(α) = My frames doc basis theorem (1.1.29) says, for a rotation Q (in this application. Q = R-1 local vars) e'n = Qen en = Qnm e'm = Q-1 = Q Applying that idea here I would use Q = R = Rz(α) and conclude that e'n = Ren en = Rnm e'm = R-1 = R Then explicitly we have = Then e1 = cosα e'1 - sinα e'2 e2 = sinα e'1 + cosα e'2 Now I have always said that the en are vectors in x-space. [ that is correct] So this equation seems a little strange since it says that e1 is a sum of two x'-space vectors. So I am at once confused. The un were supposed to be the Cartesian basis vectors in x-space = Frame S. You see why this is a "hard question". Let's go back to the original equation en ≡ Se'n quoted above. What is the meaning of this equation? It appears early in tensor doc. I start there by defining the e'n to be axis aligned vectors in x'-space. For the polar coordinates case, these are e'r and e'θ in x'-space which is the space whose axes are labeled by r and θ. [ I think all these matters are resolved in Appendix J ! There I have no need really for the e'n and u'n vectors in x'-space because we can completely ignore x'-space. ]