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Working note by Phil, dated PhL 9.2.14, arising from the second version of the transmission lines Appendix Q. It compares the two orders of limits for Re k, then uses simpler model functions to show that the small-u series has a radius of convergence shrinking to zero as ωd→0 because a branch point approaches the origin. It ends with numbers for the polyethylene dielectric in a Belden cable. Many equations are missing from the extracted text.

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Example of order-interchange of limits problem PhL 9.2.14 1. The original problem I encountered this when writing version 2 of lines doc Appendix Q. I have this function and I am interested in u→ 0 for a small ω limit, and also a ωd→ 0 limit for no conductance in a transmission line. See Appendix Q new version.doc. Let's first look at the limit u → 0: Rek = (1/2) [ 2 ( Rdc2C2 ωd2)1/2 - 2RdcC ωd ]1/2 = = (1/2) [ 2 RdcC ωd - 2RdcC ωd ]1/2 = 0 If I then take the limit of this result as ωd→ 0 , the result is of course still 0. Now look at the limit ωd → 0: Rek = (1/2) [ 2 {( Rdc2 + u4Ldc2)(C2t2u4+ u4C2) }1/2 - 2 RdcC t2u4 + 2u4LdcC ]1/2 = (1/2) [ 2 {( Rdc2 + u4Ldc2)Cu2(t2+1) }1/2 - 2 RdcC t2u4 + 2u4 LdcC ]1/2 Now take the limit of this result as u→ 0 Rek = 0 I thought there was going to be a conflict here? Back up a bit. Ignore the overall square root and leading factor Manually simplify this 2C - 2RdcC (ωd+ tu2) + 2u4LdcC Now remove the overall common factor of C f(ωd,u) ≡ 2 - 2Rdc (ωd+ tu2) + 2u4Ldc What can be said about this function of two complex variables ωd and u ? f(ωd=0,u) ≡ 2 - 2Rdc ( tu2) + 2u4Ldc = 2 u2 - 2Rdc ( tu2) + 2u4Ldc = u2 [2 - 2 tRdc + 2u2Ldc ] f(ωd,u=0) ≡ 2 - 2Rdc (ωd) = 0 2. Simpler Case How about this much simpler function f(ωd,u) ≡ I want to expand this in small u with ωd > 0. Thus f(ωd,u) = = = (1/ωd) ≈ (1/ωd) { 1 + (1/2) [2tu2/ωd+ u4(t2+1)/ωd2] +(1/2)(-1/2)(1/2) [2tu2/ωd]2 } ≈ (1/ωd) { 1 + (1/2) [2tu2/ωd+ u4(t2+1)/ωd2] -(1/2) [tu2/ωd]2 } ≈ (1/ωd) { 1 + (1/2) [2tu2/ωd+ u4(t2+1)/ωd2] -(1/2) t2u4/ωd2 } ≈ (1/ωd) { 1 + tu2/ωd+ (1/2)u4(t2+1)/ωd2 - (1/2) t2u4/ωd2 } ≈ (1/ωd) { 1 + tu2/ωd + (1/2)u4(1)/ωd2 + O(u6) } If I then take ωd→ 0, each term blows up! On the other hand, if I first take ωd→ 0 I get f(0,u) = = u2 and this is well-behaved as u→ 0. So what stupidly simple thing is going on here that dumbo fails to comprehend? The series in u must not be a convergent series. Why is that so? 3. Simpler Case Still This is a power series in complex variable y. What is the radius of convergence of this power series? I have a function here of two complex variables and I expand it in z about the point z = 0. 4. Even Simpler Case Still Again, the coefficients all blow up as x → 0. Here is what is going on. Write as f = The small y expansion converges around y = 0 in a disk of radius 1 because that circle hits a branch point, Similarly, the function expanded about z = 0 has a radius of convergence of 1/x: As x→ 0, the radius of convergence → 0 as well. In this limit, the power series expansion in z does not converge! 5. Back to the original problem The two complex variables are z = u and x = ωd . I expand this about u = 0 to get some terms, You can see that the coefficients are blowing up as ωd→ 0. There is surely a branch point for the complicated function Rek shown which is some function of ωd. As ωd → 0, this branch point approaches the origin in u-space, causing the u-expansion radius of convergence to shrink. The expansion becomes less and less convergent and finally diverges. In the limit ωd→ 0, the u expansion is divergent and completely meaningless. ωd ≡ (σd/εd) = 10-15 / 8.8541877 x 10-12 = 1000/8.85 = 113 aHz for PE dielectric fd = ω/2π = 18 Hz. So I guess the question is this: how "small" is such an ωd ? For the Belden cable, ωd = 113 in SI units, maybe that is not so small after all.